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The guys discuss a world without social media, the perfect workshop and answer some listener questions. They also attempt to tackle some interesting dilemmas.


Hey guys. Welcome to knife talk. This is a podcast from knife makers, knife, enthusiasts, and anyone who has any interest in life making or knives or whatever? My name’s Geoff, my name is Geoff Feder from Feder knives. With me today is the great Craig Lockwood of Chop knives. And maybe. Maybe, hopefully I got my fingers crossed Mareko Maumasi was having some technical problems.

He’ll pop in at some point, but we’ll carry on soldier on soldier on hope he comes in, though. He has a question. She was going to be able to touch any Damascus questions. We’re going to be at a deficit, but how you doing? I’m good. I’m good. How’s your week been? Bananas, I mean, high highs and low lows. Like normally I had a, uh, I did a marathon hand sanding, uh, this week I had, it was a lot of hands-on.

I hand sanded 56 knives and I gave myself five days to do it. And I had very, very set goals in regards to how many, how long it would take me to do everything. And then I got to the point where I was averaging. 30 minutes, a knife. And obviously you saved 30 minutes a knife, but one may be faster than the other.

And it’s just not one of them. You might have like a little dip or something in there that you had to like go back to the grinder or whatever. So it was averaging about half an hour. Oh, let’s say 35 minutes. So I was like, you know, I would have these goals, like before lunch, we had to do this. And before lunch, after lunch, we didn’t do that.

And I got down to doing getting 10 knives, hand sanded in a day, obviously. Good go in it wasn’t an eight hour day, you know, I mean, there was, I, you know, I got to do other things besides just standing there and standing, there’s no emails and there’s no life goes on all the a hundred percent. So we actually, you know, my, I gave myself a very strict goal and then I was pumped a first day.

I was like, I have these, what I referred to as the cat Paul calluses from the hand sanding stick. I have these in my palms, in my hands. I got these little cat Poff calluses I get, and then we’d started selling the sweatshirts. So all of a sudden one day get eight done. So that made me have to do 12 the following day, which I did.

And then, um, it was, it was the bittersweet part was on Friday, finished everything. And, and this is one thing that I’ve mentioned the past is the, our school district is doing hybrid learning. That means that they’re breaking up the students for, you know, social distancing purposes. And then half the students are coming in two days a week, the Wednesday they’re supposed to be cleaning everything like crazy.

And then the teachers are preparing for the second half of the week. So then the kids who were in the first, Monday, Tuesday, We’ll stay home Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then the kids who miss Monday, Tuesday, go home, go to school, just swapping over. Yeah. Right. So with the exception of, if there are any, so all the kids are staying home or doing distance learning or virtual learning.

So we’ve, you know, we’re very big into the school district. We’ve known all the superintendents. We were very supportive of all the principals of all the schools and we’re trying to be as raw as possible because it’s not a good, we don’t have a good school district period. So we, um, every, so every few months there’s a, um, uh, an email that says, does your child want to do continue with the hybrid system or do they want to do all virtual learning?

And we’ve always been like, let’s do the hybrid. You feel safe, you feel comfortable hearing your mask. And then we’ve recently been having a number of positive cases in the school and they shut the school down. So my kid who has been like doing the best, she can. We set her up in my shop. So I got her, I got her, she came to my shop and she felt like it was good because it’s, she’s not in the house all the time.

And it’s almost like her office change of scenery, change of scenery. And, you know, I was hand sanding, so it wasn’t making a lot of noise. It wasn’t coming up. A lot of dust, you know, I just had my ISO tunes, ear buds in my ears, sponsor the podcast. And then, um, I was, you know, it was great. And then, you know, I finished Friday off and then Friday night we got this email saying, all right, the deadline.

To make the decision, whether you’re going to do hybrid learning or virtual learning is today because we need to figure out all the things. So we had this long conversation personally, I was pushing for hybrid. I want her to go in. I want no more kids to opt to go in because I feel like we’ve need to soldier on here.

We need to figure out a way to everyone’s social distancing, and you’re not doing certain things. And after a long conversation at the dinner table, we all, she decided. I don’t want to, I don’t want to go back. So we talked about it for awhile and she said, look, when we’re in the classrooms, we’re still on our computers.

They’re either using these, you know, these, uh, Google classrooms in order to kind of like monitor attendance. So, so like, and then. She says, I don’t feel like they’re cleaning the place as nicely as they could. And then for lunch, it’s like, she’s like, I don’t even, I don’t even know. He played totally BMP.

Doesn’t want to go to school as simple as well, if that were the case, if that were the case, I think she’s, you know, it’s still work. I mean, it’s not like she’s sitting in her bed doing her homework, but it’s very much, it was like this. It was a decision and she, she’s a smart kid. She’s on the debate team.

She’s. She every Wednesday, I take her to, uh, this, uh, food drive and she helps distribute food to an extraordinary long line of cars where people who need a food drive, which is every time I’m like, Oh my God, this is terrible. People are waiting. You know? So she’s a very responsible kid. So she was like giving me the okey-doke I think I would know.

And it was, it was very sad. So Friday night, we’re all like, you know, I’m trying to celebrate like all this hard work and all this discipline, and then. It was this very like, real feeling of like, well, now my kid from now until April is going to be doing virtuals. She’s not going to be going to the school at all.

And it was very like, we had the, it was this very palpable feeling of like, all right, well, that’s it. And it was sad. It was sad. The world we’re living in, it was sad. It was sad. And she said, let me, she said to me, look, we’re on the fucking we’re in the classrooms. Listening to the teacher and looking at the goddamn computer all day.

Well, it’s sucks. And if the wifi goes out in the school, we’re just sitting there in silence. It’s just like, I can do this whole thing. I can, I can be, feel more comfortable and less anxious here. I’ll go your shot, whatever. And we’ll figure something out. But it was like super, super depressing, you know?

But at the same time, it’s like, you’re right. It’s a brave new world. I mean, you’re not in this situation yet. Cause you, your kids are so much younger. Well, I mean, we were discussing this on our walk earlier that we’d been out for a very long walk today, but back in Wales where I’m from, they’re currently having what they call a firebreak.

Um, so, um, w basically it, Wales is governed by the UK, UK parliament, right. Um, but they have a devolved parliament as well. So they have, you know, bosses that will see what’s happening in Wales. And they’ve decided on a, on what they call them a firebreak, which means. Complete lockdown, all shops, bars, everything closed, unless there essentially.

So that means supermarkets are open. Um, but they literally locked down the Isles of things that aren’t essential. Which, which to me is a bit ridiculous, a little bit. It is, but you can also see how let’s say you own a small business selling stationary around the corner and you’re forced to close, but yet the supermarkets, because they sell everything these days, don’t they?

Right. So you can sort of see it, but so there are complete and utter lockdown for 10 days. Um, and here in France, um, three quarters of France and now have curfews, um, between 9:00 PM and 6:00 AM. We don’t hear where we are at the moment, but we’re expecting that to be announced tomorrow. So I’m pretty sure we will have, but it, it doesn’t really affect us too much because we’re home.

And even we’ve got, as you say, we’ve got little babies, um, but they’re at the time now when they should be going to crushes and preschools. Um, but we, obviously, we we’ve held back on that. Of course. So, so, you know, it’s, it’s affected us a little bit. Um, but not, you know, thankfully not as much as, um, it could, it could be, so yeah, it’s just, things are just getting worse and worse.

And I think people are just learning to live with it a bit more. Um, but yeah, it’s, you know, having a kid your age, that’s gotta be scary because. It’s a different world. I remember being sort of, you know, 14, 15, 16, and the world’s you always stay you’re out. You’ve got all this freedom. You can do what you want.

And a lot of times it’s, I’m fortunate enough that my kid is, you know, she’s old enough that, and she’s smarter. I don’t have to worry about her now that she’s a fader. She’s, she’s smart, obviously. I mean, she’s more like a Lin. That’s fine. Oh, I’ll take it. I’ll take it. I’ll take a small, uh, I’ll take it, the smoke off of it, but, um, I talked to some teachers who got kids who are like in first grade, second grade, third grade, where they’re, it’s impossible to get.

I mean, like kind of like Mariko’s kid’s age, you know, he might, you know, he had, he ex you can’t what do you do for these, some of these kids. And I don’t understand how some of these parents, I know people are just like, when you guys were talking about nuts, Well, Marico’s on here. So we’re going to like, we’re going to off-road it a little bit guys.

Um, but it’s, it’s, it’s totally crazy. And, um, I, the, the only thing I can think of is I just. I don’t know how people who have young kids who have two parents who work at home or two parents who work outside of home, make it happen. I don’t know. I don’t understand it. And in regards to it doesn’t affect us.

I mean, it’s starting, it has started to affect my, my company, fader knives, because, you know, we had an office in the city, in New York city and we just gave up the lease and we’re, we’re going to be we’re out of there. We were supposed to be out of there. We’re supposed to be out of there this month. So.

Well, I got to go down the city and grab all my grab all of our shit. That was an office that Tony used for his company and our company. And it was like a place where we would have chefs come in and it was really kind of like this, you know, big production, but it’s just being in the city is this was a waste of money.

So we’re actually, we just gave that shop up and. It’s really kind of, you know, it was, uh, it wasn’t an act of desperation. It was just like, why are we just bleeding money with this God in place? You know, no one wants to be in the city anyway. Yeah. I saw a video, a friend of mine, um, New York city worked for Squarespace and he was on the subway at 9:00 AM and he was the only person in the whole car that he was in, you know?

And it’s just like, imagine a busy city like that. Just deserted. It’s one of the things that I thought of a long, a long time ago, just because I just felt like. I just remember when, before DSL was, uh, um, when internet was coming in to the houses and I had one of the offices I was at had, um, had, uh, you know, very fast, uh, high speed internet.

And we were trying to upgrade at home and the computers weren’t working you to upgrade, and the computer was too old. And I just CA I couldn’t stop thinking about the fact that there’s going to be this huge, uh, class system based on technology. And the fact that some people just aren’t going to be able to compete or, or do anything because they either they can’t afford it or don’t, they don’t have the wherewithal.

And I just, I’ve always felt like this is going to be the big divider in terms of people’s futures. And it’s always kind of made me very sad, you know, because we just got involved with raising all this money. So some of these students can have wifi in their homes, so they can actually do distance learning and fucking socks.

Hmm, where are we going to impressing? Huh? I know, I know, um, my week, my week. So, um, it’s been again, ups and downs. So started the week with the launch of the box cutters, which was pretty much as we recorded last week. I sort of launched it sneakily on a Sunday. Um, so that we took over the sort of the early part of the week, um, doing camp knife, prep, ready for heat, um, which has taken a bit longer than I thought.

Uh, why do you say that? Um, because there’s there’s flats on these compromises, whereas obviously with a, uh, with a kitchen knife, there isn’t necessarily flats on your, on your, you know, on your face or the blade. So, what I’m wanting to do is get these flats perfect before they go to heat treat, because otherwise after he treat them very hard and it is much, much harder to work.

So I’ve been using this, um, this depths, like a quarter something, I can’t think what it’s called cortisol 1000 or something. One of these depths that you put in before he treats and then it crumbles off. So, you know, it’ll make things easier. So it’s a coding, it’s a coding to prevent. Scale scale. Exactly.

Yeah. So it’s, it’s working really, really well. Um, but it does mean there’s a lot of prep sort of upfront. Um, but you know, I’m quite happy with that because it’s easier prep than it would be once, once the knives are hardened. So, so I’ve done that. I’ve recorded quite a bit of that. So I think that’s going to be video released this week, just showing all the prep for that.

Um, I taught at the end of the week, Um, pretty much like we talked about last week, I really want to get sort of stock up on the website, basically this time of the year. I want people to be able to go there and buy stuff, you know, gifts, all that kind of thing. So the box gutters are going to be permanently up on the website.

There they’re always there. People can always buy them. So I thought let’s get chef knife up now. Ready? So I started the, I think it was late Wednesday or maybe Thursday morning. It started this, uh, the chef might’ve when it was going to be pink and have this, this like engraving on it. Um, and I was using a while back.

I made some paper, my Carter. I haven’t. I shared pictures at the time and I love the colors, like a really soft sort of baby pink, you know? It was lovely. And, um, so that finished the blade and put the, put the handle on, and I’m trying to finish this and I’ll add, just, couldn’t get it finished in a way that was perfect for me.

And I said, I know what you’re saying. Actually, we spoke about this as well. Yeah. I messaged you have got any tips. I just couldn’t get a nice finish. It was bits of white show in it and it was just never, never. You know that nice so that, well, let’s just crack on. And at the end of Buffett, see how we end up.

So the whole idea has got engraved this displayed. So I’m an illustrator that I know we worked with and we had this beautiful illustration of flowers and butterflies and things, and they were going to be all over the blade. So, um, I put it down on the ladies that loaded up and did all the rest of it, lasered it.

And obviously once you laser that. That’s it that you’re not, you’re not sanding this out. Right. Um, and I forgot to remove the sort of boundary box around the design. So it’s, it was within the square. Uh, I did put this up on it. You may have seen it well, Instagram, and it was just like, you did send a picture of it to me saying, fuck, fuck the blade news.

Just like there’s no way of, and had so many messages from people saying, well, just take the handle off. You know, I sand it down and redo it. And it’s like, you can’t, this is batch like a proper engraving, you know? Um, so it, it was one of those things where I don’t think I was a hundred percent happy with the handle anyway.

So I was just like, look, I’m not going to try and fix this. This is what all we’ve got Morocco in house. Morocco. We’ll see how this goes. How’s it going right here? He is. There he is. We’ll see how it goes. Let’s go with it. Yeah. Yeah. So Craig, you’re talking about the knife that, uh, the laser, the laser, sorry.

Yes. So I was like, I’m just going to scrap this. This is one, this is one for my wife to have, um, you know, one of the many rejects that we were using that in the kitchen ourselves and I redid it. So I called it the pink perseverance. That’s what I was calling it because, um, I was like, I’m going to.

Definitely going to carry on, do another one. So, um, yesterday afternoon actually finished it. Um, and I’m really pleased with it. It’s, it’s completely different to anything that I’ve done. It’s the least threatening knife. I think I’ve ever seen. It’s like, um, bubblegum pink and it’s got like a butterscotch liner.

Abbott has got this crazy ingredient on the blade, which is really nice. So, yeah. So that’s uh, on the, on the website now for sale, which is nice. Um, so yeah, starting to get some stock up on the site so people can just go there and buy it. Um, That is pretty, pretty much been my week. Um, I’ve been in the perpetual hell of shipping where I’m finding some of the knives that I’ve been sending.

They’ve been like a month and still, still haven’t been received. And you’re not in this tracking on them. So we can see the, they arrive at the airport and I sweat truck and stops with Calissa Mo. And I know Jeff, you received a knife finally that you’d ordered and I’m having some people, you know, send it through nice messages and pictures that knives arrive in.

But it’s that thing when I’ve got sort of 20, 30 knives still out. And it’s, and even this week, people ordering box cutters, I’ve sent them and it’s ah, it’s just, my heart is always just like, it just worries me. It’s a, it’s a cutie. It’s definitely a cutie look. What’s that the box cutter. You’re not, you.

Box cutter. Oh, right. Yeah. Cause you ordered one of the prototypes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. But, um, yeah, so shipping has been a headache all week again. Um, but what I did do is I went to the, the new shop. Um, so the new house where the shop is going to be, and I sort of measured it up, then I’ve been making sort of plans.

Um, so we’re going to talk about it. And just as, at what, while Mareka was on the line, let’s find out what he’s been up to this week. Yeah, that was last week up in finishing up this key tip knife. Um, it’s uh, one is it it’s, it’s kind of like a CMI style with a topography, uh, cladding and, um, it’s got moose, antler and copper spacers.

Um, and the, the, the main body of the handle is actually, uh, thank you, Jeff. Saving my ass. Uh, it’s. It’s Oak. Uh, whiskey barrel Steve from, uh, from, uh, the run of knives. He did. Um, who is, I can’t remember what chef you did that with guidelines with, uh, Linton Hopkins, Linton Hopkins. I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn’t.

It was the head. I don’t get the States are no good. I always get the heads. Oh, the States they’re too. They’re too. Not only they too. Ben, it’s just too hard to get out there also the way they’re cut. It’s just that the heads are easier to process. For sure. Yeah. But I had a customer who reached out and said they want an antler and Oak like whiskey barrel.

And I’m like, Oh, what the fuck am I going to do? And so Jeff was the first person I thought of. And, uh, he, he took care of me. That’s all I owe you. Thank you. But that’s come along. Well, I did a, uh, a nice little toast job on the handle where it kind of blends up. Towards. So it starts at the butter of the handle and blends up towards, uh, towards kind of like the white of the moose antler.

And then the blades are going to be pretty well darkened out once it’s all finished out, but I’ve been working on the CYA. Um, and it’s the smoothest CYA bill that I’ve ever had. Um, and then, but of course, like ever, uh, I was toasting the outside of it and I didn’t even really think about the fact that, you know, heating, heating the outside while the inside is all.

Not not getting here, I guess it’s causing the sides of the side of warp. Um, so I, I put it, I set it down in the shop a couple of days ago, hoping that maybe it would pull though the world would pull in some of the ambient moisture. I actually sprayed a little bit of water on it, um, to see if that would help kind of unpack or the sides.

I don’t know. I shouldn’t reach out to Keith. It shipwrights skills, but that’s the name? Ship, ship, right? Yeah. Shipwright scales. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so I guess I’m going to be in the shop today as we’re recording Sunday, I’ll be going in the shop today for a few hours. Uh, and I’ll see if I have to start over on it.

And so that’s kind of nerve wracking. Um, but it’s all right. It’s, it’s this new approach that I’ve been doing or I’m doing for my wooden side is that it’s, it’s a lot more streamlined than it used to be. It still takes a couple days of work to build the site, but. Um, but it’s, uh, it’s a lot more streamlined and it’s pretty straightforward.

I, I, I, I almost had the whole thing built except for wa wishing to darken it. Jeff is showing. All right. I was trying to see if, cause you came in, I wanted to ask and been texting you both. You might have to edit this part out if your side’s recording or not. Uh, yeah. I bet as you were, um, as I was, um, Oh, one other thing, actually, as kind of like, uh, the it’s not necessarily recourse from last week’s episode, but I just want to, uh, you know, I, I hope people understand.

Stan that we’re not a bunch of assholes. Um, because especially when it comes to the names thing, what’s the matter. No, I just, I was messaging with, uh, tore box, uh, the other day. And, uh, and after chatting with my wife, some too, you know, I, I grew up my entire life. Everybody fucking up my name all the time.

In fact, Jeff still can’t say my name. Right. And you’ve known me for like five, five years. Tell us how you say your name. Craig. Craig doesn’t even know how to say, uh, aluminum, right? And so, no, we just want to, I, after the N Y L a minium, his name is gearbox there’s no, I, after the end, it’s not tore boxes, Tarbox.

Oh, Tarbox tore box. See, I’m still screwing up, but I want, I want people to know that w I there’s a concern that I have now that people think that, you know, we just don’t care and that we’re being assholes. And if you have a different name, Then we’re just like, well, fuck you too bad for you. You have a stupid name, but the reality is we’re a bunch of dummies who don’t want to, how does, or at least I am a dummy and I don’t know how to read things well.

And so I screw up names all, all the time, even though I have a very unusual name and I hate it when people screw up my name. Okay. So call me Mark. If you can’t say, wait a second. Wait. What you want us to say? Mulla Mo tell us how you want to say your name. Ben jamming, Cocker exists. Just get this done. How do you want us to say your name?

It’s in it’s pronounced. Malaco. Is that how you say it? Ma ma LA co my lack of my Alexa ma Aw, Aw. Wow. Well, but in Polynesian language, it’s kind of like other Asian languages where the R and the L are interchangeable kind of sound depending on the context and okay. The context of my name, it, the art is an L.

So how would you prefer for us to pronounce your name? Malacca. Malacca. Okay, Monica. Okay. There you go. Um, and then. But, yeah. So I just, I wanted to put that out there. Uh, I don’t know if it needs to be said or not, but I just want to let people know, you know, we’re not a good old boys group. We, we, we’re not, we’re not intentionally trying to be shitty.

I, I, and I, I would hate for anybody. To hold back from wanting to engage with the show, write us a question or anything like that, because they’re worried that we don’t give a shit how their name is actually pronounced the problem. I think the bigger problem is that we’re a bunch of dummies. We, we are trying our best and I

think we’re fooling around. That wasn’t a, that wasn’t the pronunciation, the Tarbox, we were fooling around everybody, others and jam and Cocker and all like Benjamin Cocker. I don’t think there’s any reason, any reason to PR to apologize for mispronouncing people’s names? Well, we, obviously some of us can understand, you know, we’re getting names that we can’t pronounce where people put up their, their, their Instagram accounts.

So we can’t pronounce correctly. I’m sorry that I pronounced your name wrong. We were fooling around with a tar box and it’s like, well, we’ll see now you’re giving me a hard time, but I’m like, now everyone’s gonna be calling you malacco and I’m not a hundred percent sure if you’re kidding or not. I’m not kidding.

Okay. Rebecca. Got you. We got you. Okay. Now I’m no longer Greg either. Or Craig, let’s get this down. Craig. Craig, that’s the one. That’s the one I’ve got. Okay. I’ve got a couple of questions this week, whereas I normally have one question to sort of set the show up. Uh, but first of all, nice talk is sponsored by even heat.

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I don’t know which one to go with. So I’ll, I’ll ask both questions and you guys decide what you want, what the answers should be. Um, what, which one to answer either. So. I was, I was thinking we had this whole thing couple of weeks ago with tech Mark. And there was this thing, whether it’s going to shut down in the U S or whether it wasn’t.

I mean, I know we don’t really use tech talk, but I was just thinking about social media in general. And if it didn’t exist, how would you promote the business, your business, or do you think your business would need to change a little bit with the guards to go and fold without any social media? Because we rely on it so much for, you know, Getting our work out there and, you know, get a new customers, that kind of thing.

So, so that was the first question. And the second one was I went to visit my new shop this week and I took some measurements. It’s it’s 20 foot by 26 foot and it’s a complete blank canvas. Um, so I was wondering how you guys would set up your ideal workshop. Which one should we go with? Either. One’s fine by me doing both of you.

Weren’t okay. All right, then let’s go. Let’s go to social media. If it doesn’t exist, how would you go about promoting your business? Um, you know, we, we’ve got, I wouldn’t say, you know, we’ve got huge, huge followings, but the three of us, we got so, you know, substantial sort of follow followings on different social medias, that kind of thing.

And it definitely does help promote our business, but if it didn’t exist, you know, if we went back to the nineties, how did. Knifemakers blacksmiths and tradesmen. How did they promote that business? And so, yeah. W what would you do if you do when, so overnight, is this beef? Is this before websites as well?

Um, no, I think you can have a website, but let’s, let’s just say, you know, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, that they gone. Yeah. Okay. You know, what, what, what would you do? How would you promote your business? And I suppose this is a good question for people who may be just starting and they don’t really have a big following on any of these platforms.

Anyway, the answer would be the same for them, I suppose. How would you promote your business, but do you think your business would have to change, you know, to, to cope with that? Sure. Uh, I mean, I would, I would think that. Doing trade shows would definitely be one of the main ways to, for people to connect with collectors.

Um, uh, I think what is it blogs used to be? I mean, I dunno if blogs are coming back, but blogs used to be a huge deal. And so me being a, uh, like a freelance or kind of a contributing writer to maybe a blog that, um, gets a lot of traffic. Basically, I suppose it could be a lot more power in, in, you know, traditional print, then it wouldn’t be like magazines, you know?

Um, Oh yeah, sure. You know that they’d have more clout, I suppose. Yeah. Oh yeah. Also quick shout out to Quintin Middleton for being featured in Martha Stewart living magazine, but yeah, like, yeah. Quintin was just in there. He’s been in a lot of magazines actually. And I think that that would definitely be a major way to also get your work seen and get, create attention or awareness of what you’re doing and of your brand and your work.

Um, I think what Jeff’s doing with cross promoting with chefs is a great way. You know, if you get on like NPR somehow be part of what, what are those, uh, cooking shows. Up there in the Northeast. There’s that one gal in Connecticut. She’s kind of odd. I can’t add that. That was a terrible, um, cause I don’t want,

don’t go listen. Don’t know, but she gets, but at the same time she gets a lot of traction. She’s got a lot of people listening to that show, but stuff that I think that would probably be what you would, you know, try to do is get, uh, get hooked up with. Other places that have the attention that you are looking for more than anything, that’s basically it.

And then cross promote with them. Somehow. What about you, Jeff? What, what are you thinking if, if it didn’t exist, how you promote in your business and do you think you’d change? I think you get stuck in the, into what artists do where they’re there. They’re going to galleries. I think you’re having to kind of find places that deal directly with chef knives and culinary places.

And you’re going to be one of the horses in the stall. I don’t know. I dunno if you didn’t have, obviously, you know, like, um, Mark was saying you could use, uh, magazines and stuff. You said Mark, right? Yeah. Malacca. Right.

so, you know, you could use the backs of magazines and a blade show, blade magazine does that stuff. And you, you, you can use publications, but I mean, you’re going to. You’re going to end up having to be associated with somebody else. So what I would probably have to unfortunately have to say is like, you’re going to have to look at places that deal directly with custom knife makers, and you’re going to have to, you know, pony up your whatever 30% and you’re going to have to be at the mercy of other people promoting you.

You don’t see how, I mean, the whole point of social media is you’re, you’re able to kind of take away that, take that away from, um, From out of the hands of somebody else. And you’re not giving a cut to somebody else. Yeah. I mean, we can give us a lot, 100% true. Be given it a lot of thought because this time of the year, traditionally over the last, well, the last two years notice a small pattern developing where I jumped on a plane and I’d head to London and I’d email those restaurants and I’d go in and, you know, press the flesh, you know, you’re shaking hands and you show them what you’ve got.

And that’s a very sort of traditional way of sort of paddling your work. Um, and that’s worked out, you know, to give me work for the rest of the year, you know, for the last two years, at least. And I think that would happen, have to happen a lot more. Um, it’s far more expensive to do it that way because yeah.

Having to get out to the shop and as they press the flash a bit more. But yeah, I think without social media, I think there’d be a lot more of that happening. Um, and it’s not just social media, it’s the whole sort of pandemic as well at the moment, you know, which is stopping that happening. It’s yeah, it would be, I think it’d be a really strange, uh, particularly now it would be a very strange world.

It’d be very difficult to, to get your work out there. It would be, you’d be cutting out half your customers because. Most of our lead more, at least because if you’re dealing with, uh, like a gala or a place that deals with custom knife makers, you’re dealing with people who are going there, direct there that’s there they’re there it’s, it’s a, it’s a place that’s, uh, it’s a destination spot as opposed to stumbling on something, you know, especially like holidays or birthdays or something, and you’re looking for gifts or something like that.

And then you stumble upon something and think, Oh, this should be really great. As opposed to having to go to a knife shop where you’re there for a reason. And then you have to wait. People have to Wade through, you know, however many people you’re representing. It’s just it’s it’s uh, it’s it’s, you know, you’re crippled, you’re crippled without it.

I think. I think it forums would probably also be, I know that like kitchen knife, forums and blade forums were really, really big. And still, there are still a lot of people that interact on them and strong communities there. But that was another place where a lot of knife makers, no matter, you know, if there were a chef’s knife makers or, you know, Hunter, Hunter, knife, makers, folder makers, whatever.

Would promote their work. And you would, you would pay to have a sub forum. Basically. It’s like having a stall at a market or something like that. You’d pay, I don’t know how much a month, maybe $60 a month. Um, and, and you’d be able to talk about your stuff, what you’re doing, what you’re making show and basically use it the same way people use Instagram now.

But it’s just, you know, it’s a different platform. It’s more, it’s much more analog platform. I feel like then Instagram. So easy to just throw up a picture and a caption. Again, you’re stuck with, you’re stuck with people who are going to the forum because they want to go to the forum as opposed to a casual Pyre.

Yeah. You know, you lose out, you lose out on, on potential customers because. You know, it’s the same thing. Y you know, nowadays the blade show more and more, uh, chef knife guys are doing well there, but before, I mean, it’s, uh, it’s such a small, it’s such a small minority of people who would be a casual buyer.

Who’d go to the, you know, blade show and it’s, yeah, you’re losing, you’re losing a huge, I mean, it’s, I mean, I talked to, I talked to, you know, my business partner, Tony, about it, like Instagram is. And once I, especially once I got the swipe up feature, I mean, our are, we’re making more money and we’re making per all of it.

I don’t have to go to like out, we get asked to go every so often to do these, uh, these farmer’s markets. And I say to the people, I’m like, look, this is very flattering and she want me there, but no one’s going to be paying $500 for a knife at a farmer’s market. They’re buying their cauliflower and apples.

You know, it’s just, it’s one of those things that it’s just not the juice isn’t worth the squeeze in certain circumstance. And this is something that. Is five, be screwed, be honest with you, or I’d have to just re I’d have to not screwed, but I’d have to really rethink what I’m doing and how I’m doing it.

Yeah, but it made me think how reliant we are on the, you know, and like Instagram is cheap, you know, it doesn’t cost us a thing and we got, we can promote them tens of thousands of people, but, you know, if, if it didn’t exist or, you know, if the technology failed for a certain amount of time, I think I’d be pretty screwed.

Not being able to get out and press the flesh as well as we’re currently in as pandemic. You know, I’m just thinking, you know, out the box again, what the worst case scenario is, how that would affect my business. And I think it would be huge or B yeah, B yeah. Disaster. Well, in Jeff, Jeff talking about Tony, his business partner and kind of like a little side note in regards to, uh, you know, like the galleries or, or knife shops, um, you know, I think that realistically before social media, there was maybe only a handful of them.

There are a lot of them now who really rely also on social media to market their stuff, but beforehand. Yeah. And when you would, and that’s actually how I got my start was. Selling through a retailer and 30% can be a heavy cut. But if you think of that person as kind of the business end of, of a partnership in re uh, you know, that 30% helps you, uh, connect and develop those relationships with, and these are, uh, with.

And buyers and your customers, and ultimately those buyers, if they want something customized, then they will come directly to you. And that’s where, you know, ideally you would have a website in a way to take in those customers, but I, I try to encourage. Makers, especially if they’re new and they’re doing quality work, but they’re, they’re struggling to get, um, kind of like the, the value or get, get the money there they deserve for the quality of work they’re doing.

I encourage them to find a retailer that fits them. There are a lot of retailers now, um, And, and I don’t think it’s a bad way to start really. And yeah, you’re, you’re losing again, like upwards of a 30% cut of what you would normally get, but, um, the, to help that, that person basically it’s, again, it’s, you’re paying for cross promotion at advertising that person’s helping to get your name out there to the right people.

Um, who, and like, like places like blade gallery, like they have. They, they have thousands and thousands of the highest high end collectors getting a hold of them every day to see, you know, what’s new in the shop or every week what’s new in the shop. What’s, what’s cool. What’s interesting. Um, because they’re, they’re real deal collectors and those, you know, those would be the people that I think if there wasn’t social media anymore, you’d really have to heavily rely on, rely on them a lot more.

Yeah. There’s there’s one thing we’re also not pointing out. When we were talking about the commission that the space is giving is giving you or taking I’ve been the last time I was in a shop, I was in this kind of hipster place that had like, you know, nice clothes and. Know, it was very Brooklyn oriented and they didn’t have any other knife makers.

They had a guy who was making the oyster knives and then they had a couple of my knives in there. And I just, I liked the owner. I knew the owner from back in the day in the city and it was very, it was hip and it was like, there wasn’t any, there wasn’t any, uh, competition. I wasn’t really worried about like, why would I put my knives in here?

You got ton of the guys in the same thing. And it was great. And they had a good online presence. They had a great retail store. It was very, very like. Well, we’ll see what happens. We’ll give them three knives and we’ll see what happens. I mean, I’d go in there. And I go in there every six months and it were doing nothing.

They were, nothing was happening. You know, it was, it was legitimately, people were coming in, they were looking at stuff and they were not buying anything. And it wasn’t a ha and I don’t know, I was like, is it the nod? And then it got to the point where was like, I’m not going in there anymore. What am I going to do?

Get depressed? Because these, you know, these small, inexpensive knives weren’t moving, you know, they’re not calling me up saying. Where, you know, I’m not calling them saying, how’s it going? Because, you know, they’re dealing with like everything else with our flannel jackets and they’re, you know, they’re, they’re, you know, there is, you know, very like urban Outfitters kind of cool shit.

And I’m just like, this sucks. I’m not doing this anymore. And it was like, okay, I’ll, I’ll take my 30%, you know, take the 30%. But at the same time, it’s like, if it’s sitting on the, if it’s sitting on the counter, With no competition whatsoever. And you’re not moving into the retail guy. Isn’t like saying, Oh, you don’t buy this knife.

Doesn’t have to be great. Yeah, it’s just sitting there collecting dust. It’s just like, fuck that. I don’t wanna do that. You got choose cat. Yeah. This is all very sort of doomsday. This isn’t it it’s like, you know, everybody’s server goes down, there’s no social media and you know, how are we going to cope?

But, uh, you know, I think it’s, it’s worth giving it some thought, at least that, you know, if these things didn’t exist, how, but we’re creating something we’re create, we’re all making something it’s very approachable in terms of size. These are boats. These aren’t decks for your side of your house, you know, so you’re able to kind of market towards a customer who might have the disposable income for something that they can buy and then put it in there and they’re in their cabinet or whatever, and they’re in their drawer.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. And I love the idea that you ask, well, what we do, if, if, uh, if this happens, I know that I’m Josh Scott, I make jokes about Josh. Josh is a good dude, smart dude. And he just recently put out his information saying Instagram, you know, shits the bed. Here’s how you can get ahold of me.

And at first I thought, well, that’s very doom and gloom. I thought, you know what good for him. He’s smart because he’s just like, he, at least he’s thinking about it because you know, you never know. Yep. Never, no, no, no. Let’s cheer things up a little bit. It’s all doom and gloom here. Um, I’ve got, I’m getting a new shop, so it’s, it’s a barn next to my house, the new house.

Um, and the shop is going to be 23 foot by 27 foot, which I just want quick. I think that’s it rubbed sort of five by eight. Um, but there’s, it’s a massive high ceiling, so there’s a chance I can have a mezzanine there as well, or, um, a second floor even. How would you go about setting up from scratch your ideal workshop?

I’ve been given this. So I’ve made sketches, I’ve given this so much thought and I I’m itching to get in. I can’t wait. What, what’s your ideal shop? And that we’re talking sort of five by eight with a possibility of a mezzanine. Oh, so we have five, five feet by eight feet. No 24 meters, 23 foot by 27 14, which is five meters by eight meters.

Ish, ish. What would you do? Are you going to have separate rooms? You can have one big open space. The size of the shop I’m in right now. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. And I’m so thankful that I have an isolated grinding room, um, to help kind of contain the dust as well as, uh, the airflow that helps cycle air through and out.

So, so that there, uh, so that any of that dust doesn’t just want to float out into the rest of the space. Um, I, because you have your. Your laser engravers and their CNC machine. I w I would probably assume you would want to have, or at least not, maybe not necessarily for your CNC, um, but for the laser to have a clean room, a dust-free room or isolated space, um, maybe like large enough that you can sit down and have a work bench in a desk or whatever, and do other kind of small clean tasks or where you tidy up the knives or package them up or something like that.

Um, yeah. That also stays very debt-free but otherwise there are otherwise the way I have the rest of my shop is open to everything else. But the, the grinding rooms definitely isolated. Eventually I’m looking to get kind of my, my quote unquote office space, which isn’t going to be very big, but, um, have that isolated to just so that it’s easy to, easier to keep heated as well.

If I want to have a warm space to pop into, uh, it’s nice to have that. Have that for sure. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I’m definitely going to have separate of areas. Um, but yeah, with the gods to dirty and clean, there will be sort of two rooms kind of thing. Jeff, if you’ve got any thoughts, if you had to design yours from the ground up, how you change things, how, I guess, I guess I would probably have to the only difference I would, if I were to change my shop now I would have, I think you guys are a thousand percent, right.

Is to separate out the, um, The grinding room, having like, uh, a much cleaner area outside, um, cleaning up, I’m cleaning up dust on places. I’m just like, why is this over here? There’s no, there, the dust kind of picks up a little bit too much. That’s the one part about my shop. I’ve just kind of given up on, but if I could, if I could separate out and have I’d have more light, I’d have more light, more natural light.

I like natural light kind of is much better for me. Um, but uh, definitely cleaning up, uh, cleaning up the grinding room. That’s huge. So, uh, so I’ll tell you my thoughts and you can, you two can pick holes in it or maybe give me some suggestions before I commit to anything. So, um, five by eight split, straight down the middle.

Um, so there’s, there’s one entrance in which takes you into a, the clean side. If you like. On the, on the partition wall between the two rooms, there’s, there’s a door and it’s actually glass wall as well. So you can all see into the workshop or into the duty room from the clean room and vice versa. So the dirty room is all matte black.

Um, and. It’s got one wall full of glass anyway. So it’s going to be lots of light coming in. Um, and in there are going to be obviously grinders, um, drill presses. Bandsaws anything that makes any sort of mess. So that’s on the one side then through the glass wall, then this could be completely white studio, um, where I’ll have podcasting area, I’ll have a photography area for product shots, that kind of thing.

There’ll be a sofa. There’ll be, you know, somewhere to be, you know, Be a bit more relaxed. Um, and there’ll be like a shipping area at all the ship and stuff, or always set up. So there’s, you know, not to drag boxes out and blow all the dust off it. So everything’s always ready. So the idea is completely clean, almost steroidal through the glass partition into the dirty area, but then, um, separately.

So begin a lot of thought, how am I going to, you know, moving forward with this opportunity of a new space, how it may sort of change the business and. I’ve been, not a lot of work with plastics and grind in plastics is the worst, trying to get scratches out of it. And so on it’s, it’s, it’s horrible, horrible work and grinding because it heats up and it melts and so on.

So I want to do a bit more sort of CNC. And so I’m going to get a big CNC email. Um, and the only thing that I’m missing then to be completely self-contained here is, is, um, a cutter. So whether it’d be a laser cutter or a plasma cutter to cut, you know, to cut my own blanks. Cause that’s the only thing that I sort of outsource at the moment.

So I’m thinking with the mezzanine, because it really, really high school, like, um, I’d say probably 20, maybe 25 foot really, really high. So I could easily have another floor. So I think I can have a staircase going up from the clean part, into a cutting room where I can have CNC to cut door handles. Um, and I can have it probably wouldn’t be a laser cutter, probably be a plasma cutter then to cut blanks.

So I think within those three areas, there’s the dirty area for grinding dust. There’s a cut in area, which is. Generally going to be more films than anything else. Obviously a little bit of dust, but mainly fumes and then the completely steroidals or white room, um, which. You know, finished knives come too.

And I can, you know, package them up and all the rest, take the photographs, packaging up and all that kind of thing. That’s I think that’s my dream shop. And I think it’s all sort of doable all in that space. And I’m just waiting for you to guys to sort of tell me I’m wrong. Or, you know, say, yeah, you’re doing the right thing.

You do. How do you fell? But someone just asked me, is it going to be hard to get all that heavy stuff upstairs? Well, I’ll be built in if it’s just one big empty void at the moment. So I’ll be, I’ll be, I’ll be building it as, as it’s happening, you know? So I, you know, with regards to, let’s say it’s a plasma table, you know, it, it depends what if it’s like a language systems, one that you know, that they come apart, it can be shifted with the stairs.

Not to, to that. My only thing is I had my first welding shop. I had a couch just because I thought, yeah, this is going to be the place where I sit down. Big mistake. I am totally against couches and shops for this, for my personal reason. This isn’t a place for relaxing. You get too comfortable. I actually had one of my first shop in Greenpoint that I had with my, uh, my college roommate.

Uh, Jim Montgomery, we built a small office and, um, part of it is we had to build it high up like two feet up off the ground because. The, um, the river would come in when the, when the, when the water would come up and we started to, and it was too small for it. You put a couch in there and a refrigerator in there, and we had a stereo in there and it was like the clubhouse.

It was such a miss. It was such a mismanage of space. And then all of a sudden it was like, They would, the couch would get dirty. And then we ended up having a, uh, uh, a cat give birth to her kittens fucking couch. So it was just like, we’re not doing that. I mean, the couch was, you know, that was it. It’s like no more couches and shops.

I don’t, I, I hate any kind of cushions, no cushions, anything that can get dirty. Disgusting be good. My idea is I spend a lot of time. Oh, my back, I’m sort of designing on a screen. Um, and I think going forward, I think that’s gone to, um, more of my time is gonna be spent doing that, I think going forward. So the idea is, yeah, a comfortable sort of almost office environment in, in one corner, you know, where I can, I can go, I can be comfortable.

I can spend the time I need to, to, you know, for, for designs and all the rest of it. That’s that’s the thought, um, Yeah, that’s what my, my, my thoughts on that is if you do think that you might build a mezzanine or a loft, maybe make the loftier clean space, I’ve, I’ve always found that, um, having some sort of intermediary area that you walk into the shop into, so you can either decide to go upstairs to the clean area or go off through the door, into the dirty area.

And just have kind of like, not necessarily like a foyer, but just like, uh, an intermediate space that, that gives you an option to go to one or the other versus walking through their dirty area, into the clean area, you know? Ah, okay. Separate entrances to each store almost. Okay. And I do like, actually I like the idea of it being a clubhouse in a way.

Cause it makes, I mean, it makes sense, especially with all the design work that you do, that you do have something like that in there. Um, I th but I, yeah, I would, I would suggest. Uh, putting it up in, uh, up in the mezzanine or, or loft space. And that way you don’t have to worry about the idea of taking a laser cutter or whatever up upstairs, or figuring out how to build the loft, sturdy enough to hold all that weight or whatever.

But that way it’s just down on the ground floor, no matter what. And if you decide you want to move things around, it’s not a nightmare. Um, but I think having that intermediate space. Would be a good addition, but yeah, I think, I think you’re giving yourself too much comfort. You need a little bit, I think, I think too much comforts.

I don’t think that that’s, I’m against too much comfort for me. I mean, for you, if you do whatever the hell you want, I totally like, I mean, I have like an office desk. I refuse to put a chair there. You know, and I have it high so I can stand there if I have it’s high. That’s why I stand the call me in his factory.

No, no. I mean, it’s like, what are you going to do? Sit down. And you got a webcam on your watch, new all the time to make sure that a hundred percent of the couches in the off, when we had our office, he had couches in that office was super comfortable because it was meant to be for when we had cooks come in, we would be able to, there was, it was very relaxed, but for first shop, I don’t, I think that we create these concepts of it’s.

I don’t. I hate hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate this concept of the man cave. I think it’s goofy. If you’re going to have it place to watch the fucking TV and fool around and be drinking and be comfortable, just have that room. But I don’t feel, I feel like this is a place of business and I don’t really want to be caught taking naps in my shop.

You know, it’s like, what are you doing? I’m in the middle of nowhere. I’m fine. Worries. No, one’s catching me taking a nap. You should, you should. You’re catching you taking a nap. Do you, do you take naps in your shop? Oh God, no, no, no, I wouldn’t. I was sure, but I, I’m not a hundred percent sure. Um, but I, I just, I don’t know.

I think I’m, I’m, I’m very fortunate to have, you know, the chance to sort of build this from the ground up. And I was thinking, you know, my ideal. Space, what would that be? And that’s what I’d be given a lot of thought to. So I’m going to be really cheesy and say, Hey listeners, any ideas for your ideal space, please let me know.

But, um, yeah, it’s, it’s a difficult one because you know, I’m gonna need to commit at some point. And once you commit or you don’t want, you know, three months down the line or like, Oh, I wish I hadn’t done it that way, or I wish I’d done that. You know? There you go. Good problem to have. What’s your, what’s your favorite shop space?

Shop, where you can go on and you can have a sort of look around other people’s shops. I tell you what, that, that would, I’d spend a lot of time on that, on my sofa, lying down, instead of work, a burping people want to see my shop all the time. They want to go on Instagram, created a tour shop, and I’m just like, I don’t want you to want to see that.

Don’t worry about that. I don’t, I’m not interested in it’s like it’s boring. I very rarely do Instagram lives, but whenever I do, somebody always says shop tour to a shop tour. And it’s like, well, not really much to see, you know? Hmm. So shall we take some listening? Hey man, can I ask you a question? And if you’ve got any questions for us, um, don’t DM us, you know, at our personal accounts, you can always contact us via DM at knife.

Talk on Instagram. It’s that easy really is. So the first one is from Taylor Walker. Um, he said, hello, you wonderful humans. So I had a batch of knives. Catfight a water jet, the Steelers for 40, see stainless, the blanks arrived with a layer of mill scale. In hindsight, it probably would have been better to get them cut by someone who can also grind them.

So he says, what’s my best option for removing the male scale. If I didn’t have a surface grinder flat platen and a big magnet. Obviously the smart thing to do would be to pick up a broad back I’m worth grinder and surface grinder attachment. He’s right. He’s absolutely right. And he says, thanks about this.

So you know what, this is what I’ve been doing this week. This is the situation I found myself in. So I’ve got a bunch of blanks. Uh, cut. Um, I wouldn’t necessarily see its mill scale on there, but that the F the, the flats, aren’t the best there’s little scratches and all sorts on it. So I’m having to do pretty much what this guy is doing.

Um, and I am waiting for my footy love for my broad back home works, um, surface grinder, because that would make things so, so much easier. Um, but I don’t have it. So I’m doing pretty much what he’s saying flat platen and a big magnet. Um, and I know premier can say, Oh, you’re not gonna be a hundred percent flat.

And like, I know, I know I’m doing what I can. Um, but when, uh, once they’ve been heat treated, hopefully that service grinder will be here. Then I can just quickly zip them on that. But it’s yeah. I mean, I I’ve had stuff like water jet cut and laser cut from a bunch of different people now. Um, and sometimes they come and the, and the finishes like perfect on them.

You know, you can. It’s a really nice finish, but sometimes they are full of mill scale or they are full of scratches and it’s a real ball, like, cause it’s like, Oh, there’s all this extra work like prep work I need to do now, which I wouldn’t have to do if it was, it was good. What would you guys do? What’s your suggestions?

I liked the mill scale. I mean, I keep the mill, I liked four 40 C because a lot of times I liked the middle scale. I like the transition between the mill scale to the, uh, the, the ground steel. I love it. I, I think it’s part of, I think it’s part of what makes four 40 C really nice. A lot of times. I mean, AEB L doesn’t usually have really super, you know, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s much more clean.

But I liked the four 40 C. If I were to take it off, I would definitely push the platen out past the wheels. And then just a little bit just enough. So you’re not touching the top roller of your Slack belt. Um, and then maybe, I dunno, fastest ways might be maybe I hate to save me. Grant writing, go grinder, start do the hard, heavy lifting with the writing angle grinder.

And what a lot of people do with the right angle grinder incorrectly is they’re, they’re moving their arms. You’re supposed to be moving your hips. If you hold your, if you hold your grinder with two hands and you move your, if you move your waist, you’re getting a much more flat. Uh, sounds like the Macarena.

I had to learn how to, we had to learn. I had to learn how to

you had to, we were, we were feathering when we were doing, um, uh, well, uh, grinding welds, especially with tubing that had rounded, you know, rounded corners and stuff like that. We had to use the right angle grinders and you don’t have that much room. So. Well, the tips that I was using was you don’t just move your hands all the time.

You have to kind of like, you’re almost like wailing a little bit, and you’re keeping the disc flat because if you angle your grinder, you end up, that’s how you make dips. If you’re just, you know, using the point of it. So, I mean, I guess if I had to take all the mill scale off a pile of them, what I try to do is do the heavy lifting with the riding of grinder and then clean them up on the, on the platen.

But I don’t want to do any of that, you know? Yeah, I, I don’t have the notes in front of me because I’m using my phone as a hot spot. Cause I’m having issues with the wifi right now. But w is he talking about grinding the material before or after the, the waterjet cutting or whatever he wants the middle scale.

So I would imagine he gets, yeah. So just come back from being coached. You’ve got these blanks and they’re just filled with mill scale now. Yeah. Okay, so they’ve been cut. So I’m guessing they’re still then full thickness even down at the edge. Yeah, they haven’t had, they haven’t been grounded on just cut.

Yeah. You know, I mean, this might be a great opportunity to practice your flat grinding and just grind it as though you’re going to grind the blade, but grind off the mill scale, um, you know, going perpendicular to your belt. It’s going to grind more aggressively and you’ll get through that a lot quicker.

Um, but then I would definitely, especially at the Tang where it transitions to the blade, I would then turn it vertically. And like Jeff said, you know, bump it out in front of those top and bottom. Uh, your platinum in front of those top and bottom idle wheels, uh, just the slightest bit, you know, maybe a 16th of an inch or one millimeter, just to make sure that as you.

Grind kind of vertically. You’re not hitting that, uh, hit neither of those. Um, but I think I, you know, I’ve used a magnet to, to grind vertically on, uh, grinding tangs or grinding, uh, stock clean. That also works great, but you know, you gotta have some good belts, you know, Does this magnet’s really hot if you have, if you have something with not a flat, like a, like four 40, C’s got a lot of mill scale.

If you put like a welding magnet on there, you’re getting enough surface area that the magnet holds the knife is even if you’re like pushing into it. I always forget. I’m always afraid it’s going to just slip right through. No, sorry. I’ve been using this week, the beginning part of this week. Just yeah, the bigger of the, you know, the right angle sort of welded magnets.

Um, and yeah, it’s fine. You’re not putting much pressure on, because what I find is there’s so much in contact with the abrasive that the heat generated really quickly. So you’ve got to go light anyway. You can’t run it insurance, but yeah, it will hold it up. Yeah. But it’s, it is tough. It is surprising if, if, uh, if Craig on his camp knives, prag on his camera, as we’re, we’re doing, we’ve taken away, we’re not taking away the mill scale.

You really have to get that grind on the money because the transition would be too tough, would be tough. Being able to grind the flats, allows you to kind of erase any issues. And you’re also. You can stop where you’re supposed to stop. You know, you’re not like it’s not like chasing your sideburns, you know, on your, and you’re shaming your sideburns, you know, it’s, that’s the part that I had a real problem with on the, uh, when we did the build along was I was, I was, I was frequent handing it and I was like, I was not, I was, I was having a real problem with the Scandi grind for that reason.

Yeah. And finally, this is a timely question because we talked about this before we went on air myself and Jeff, because, um, this is what I’ve been doing this week. And if, if these were, um, chef knives for the fall flat, it wouldn’t matter so much, but because I’ve been doing this with the camp knives, they have a big sort of flat area.

Um, you know, we’re close to the spine because it’s like a Scandi grind, so yeah. It needs to be, needs to be right. So you’re right. I mean, a surface grinder attachment would make things a million times easier and faster, a million times easier. A male. Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve got one on the way, so I can’t wait to be using it, but, um, yeah, if without one of them I’m afraid my personal recommendation would be yeah.

A flood plan. Make sure you put them out in front of the wheels, big magnet and take it easy. Cause you’re going to generate loads and loads of heat, unfortunately.

Okay. Who wants to take the next one? J Barry knives says. Hey fellows. I hear you talking a lot about a spa day for your knives. How would you go about re acid etching a blade again? When the handle is securely glued on without your handle being introduced to the acid as well? I would think acid would damage most handle materials.

Thanks and love the show. So, so many, you got a nice knife. It’s been acid etched, send it in for a spot. A what do you do? Well, you do. Yeah. I mean, I’ve never done it because I, I never sort of acid etch a blade, but Miraca you must do that. Yeah. So, I mean, especially for integral, um, I actually, I do all of my, initially I do all the blade.

Itching with the handle on, um, as, as often as I possibly can, or as long as like, you know, the customer’s cool with having, or I guess as long as the customer hasn’t specifically requested that there be. No G 10 spacer or something there, uh, between the, the integral bolster transition in the handle. Uh, I always try to put a little G 10 spacer in there, even if it’s only a 30,000, because what’s great is that material is not affected by the acid.

And it also creates just a tiny little, like I said, about 30 thousands of an inch, a buffer zone that you can. Paint nail Polish on as a resist, I use, um, like a clear nail hardener so that there isn’t any kind of color in it that, um, that might impart, uh, color onto the handle material. And. And I paint that up probably about an inch and a half or so up onto the handle.

Uh, if you need a favorite shade for that, I just said it’s clear. It’s all clear colors. I don’t want any color. I was listening you weren’t listening. Petty, Winkle blue. So we go, here we go. Here we go. Um, Damage Craig, that’s my train of thought. So anyways, Oh, so I was saying, if you need a resist or you need a, uh, a mask for the, the bolster so that you can paint a straight line of nail Polish on without, um, you know, getting up onto the bolster, then I, you know, just use painters, tape or electrical tape.

Um, And then, uh, and then you can just kind of clean up. Sometimes it gets on the bolster a little bit after you let it set for even just like a couple of minutes. It’s usually pretty quick drying. You can just use like a wooden stick or a Popsicle stick to help kind of clean up that area just a little bit and shove, shove that off the bolster, but that’s.

That’s how I approach my initial etching as well as if I have to go back and reattach. Like I have, I have actually have a knife in the shop right now that I need to reattach. And that’s exactly what I’m going to do. I have a spacer in there, so that gives me a little bit of a buffer zone and I’m going to do everything, you know, paint on the resist, have the blade ready to go and dip it in there.

And I don’t have to worry about the asset getting onto the handle because the acid will always. Even if your handle materials dark, it’s always getting onto the handle material. If you, if you leave it exposed and. Uh, you know, while we have our stuff stabilized, as much as we possibly can, you know, there’s still some porosity to the handle material and that asset is getting in there and that’s not necessarily a great thing.

So even if it’s black material, unless it’s a synthetic again, if it’s synthetic, you basically have nothing to worry about. But if it’s any kind of natural material, you want to mask it off, always because it will not only get into the material, but it’ll also sustain that material. The integral might be the easiest style of knife to re acid edge because it’s, it’s a, it’s just a side.

It’s all your T you’re kind of masking off just the round line. If you had like a washed out handle or a full Tang handle. You’re you’re you have a lot more masking off to do. And I, I would just be worried about like, in my mind, like I’ve had to, I haven’t had to acid etch re acid etch anything. I don’t do it that I don’t do it to begin with that much anyway, but I would be concerned with like a full Tang knife, or even if I was using, you know, black G 10, I would be worried about the bowl.

You know, if I use brass Corby, bolts, I’d be worried about those being etched, you know, so, Hm. Oh yeah. I definitely wouldn’t be worried about brass or copper. Okay. Yeah. You know, we’ll eat the hell out of it. No. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I also, in my opinion, right, I just, I would be worried about like also the, the.

I don’t know. I, I, that scares the shit out of me. If I had to do it, if I had to re acid at your full Tang knife, after, after the handles are already on, I’m going to send it to you. Well, and because you do so much synthetics, like I I’m pretty sure your synthetics would you’d have no problem. You just, you would mask off, you know, paint some nail Polish over the brass or whatever your fittings are.

And then you could, you could, it’s probably sounds really scary. I get, I can almost guarantee you nothing’s going to happen. You could drop that whole knife into acid all the way up to the tank tip of the tank and you’d have no rules. It’s going to be touching the glue is resistant to it as well. Is it, as long as you’re working with a water resistant glue or a proxy, it’s not going to, it’s going to be, do the same thing as the nail Polish.

It’s going to be resistant to the acid. All right. That’s good to know. Good tip. Definitely. Definitely going to be, you know, clenching up the old butthole. When I do that, I mean, it doesn’t hurt to experiment. Throw, throw one of those, just make a little Damascus shucking knife. Speak for yourself. I don’t, it doesn’t sound like fun to be at all.

Sounds like, trust me. I trust you. I trust you. I don’t have to trusting you. I can be scared. I’m going to be scared. All right. Okay, let’s do, uh, one more question then we’ve got, um, some dilemmas. We maybe come back to more questions as well. So bear Valley forge has asked, Hey guys, when gluing up handle scales to a full Tang Damascus knife, does the glue hold better?

If the edge is completely ground away on the Tang, or can I get away with just roughing it, roughing up the town with sandpaper. And again, thanks for all your tips. So, um, let me unpack this. So, uh, glued up handle scales, full Tang. Damascus is basically saying she didn’t get rid of the Ash, um, or is, you know, is it okay with the edge?

Um, I, again, not doing Damascus I’m, I’m stepping out of this one. Jeff. I would think, I would think, I mean, I’ve, I’ve done a couple, I would think that the more like nooks and crannies you can get in there. The better, you know, that’s why I still, I still drill holes. I drill holes in the handle. Just so the epoxy has like, you know, like gets us, gets in as much as possible.

I would think that, I mean, I don’t know, reckless reckless is the guy to ask. I would think that it, it would be beneficial to have the, uh, the, uh, be etched, you know, the topographical properties of edge Damascus. I would think that would be beneficial. Yeah, I agree. I would, I would think that was beneficial as well.

Um, so, uh, I, if anything, you might clean off any oxides, uh, underneath the handle, just because that’s, you know, if the glue bonds to that instead of the steel, then that’s not really doing any benefits, but ideally you are using some sort of Corby bolt or some sort of fittings, some sort of mechanical fasteners that help hold those.

Those, uh, the scales on it. And honestly, you know, that’s going to be doing, those are going to be doing a lot more for you than. I, I don’t, I wouldn’t, uh, or as well as those pass through holes, um, then just the glue on the surface, the flat surface of the material, I would be curious to see how well handle scales hold on to a tank, like just a flat, clean, flat piece of steel without any kind of fasteners.

And then obviously you throw a Corby bolt on there, like it’s bolted on. Right? Right. So. I wouldn’t be too overly concerned about it, you know? And thinking back to when I worked for Bob Kraemer, I’m I’m 100% sure when he was, when we were, uh, doing the blades, he’d etched the blade, we’d put all the handle material on everything and it would still be.

Yeah. There’s some topography to the blade. And just like you were saying, Jeff, like, I think those little, all that texture, that tooth that gives the poxy somewhere to grab onto that. That’s only going to benefit you rather than hinder you. Cool. Okay. Um, right. We’ve got a new bet, but it’s not, you bet, but we got a new, a new, uh, it, things that make you go, Hmm, fucking God, that whole school, C and C music factory.

Well, we’re in dilemma time. Gent ladies and germs. We’re a, this is where you can ask, send us a message of asking us a dilemma, not just the question, but what do you do? Things that make you go. Hmm. That’s old school for you. Some of you, some of you, some of you guys are still sucking on a Teddy when they put that on Arsenio hall show right

now, Arsenio hall, or where are you? All right. So the first one comes from, uh, woo. That’s the dog hound. That’s right. Very good. Old school. All right. So Gentry custom knives says I have a dilemma for you guys. I received a knife order from a customer. And I always take a $50 deposit to hold the spot. In the order book.

I finished the customer’s knife on time and let them know that it was, I let him know that it was ready. They responded by saying that they were in a car crash or something along those lines. It would pay for it next week, couple weeks go by and they ass. And they, um, if they would like me to give them their deposit back and I’ll sell the knife to somebody else and no big deal.

I totally understand, not wanting to pay for a custom knife with a bunch of hospital bills, but no response after a few more attempts to reach them still. No response. It’s been about six weeks now. Thoughts. Hmm, things that make you go. Hmm. I think that I have any responsibility to that customer anymore, especially with, I mean, it sounds shitty, but they’re not responding.

So, I mean, and you’re trying to run a business and he’s obviously done his due diligence. And so I think if a customer wouldn’t understand why he ended up selling the knife and just gave him a deposit back, that that doesn’t make sense to me at all. I mean, the guy’s trying to run a business. Well, I think he doesn’t, he’s done his due diligence.

He’s he’s not responsible, but he should send the money back to that customer anymore. Oh, for sure. Yeah, he’s done the right thing. How much of a dilemma? I actually just recently had a, I had a, what we’re now referring to you, you know, uh, Adam Balka Vic, uh, of, uh, built sharp GA and I were talking off offline and, uh, he referred to someone as being a time vampire.

You know, what a time vampires, that person that’s emails, emails, and emails and emails, and nothing gets out of it. They just want your time. And I was really, really interested about it because we’ve had a couple of customers who are time vampires. They just like back and forth and back and forth, back and forth and back and forth.

And you almost get the feeling like it’s going to be a problem. And, uh, we recently had one and you know, it was, uh, it was. It was, I got the feeling that I had talked to. Uh, I talked to Tony about it and I thought, you know, I got a feeling this is going to end up not happening, or, you know, you ended up buying the knife.

And then we just re he asked for the deposit back because you know, something happened, something came up and we, we kind of felt it coming on. You know, there’s, there’s some people that you can kind of, if you’ve done it enough times, you get the feeling of like, all right, here’s a person who, who might be on the difficult side.

So we give him the money back and it wasn’t even that, I mean, regardless, I didn’t ask, we didn’t ask. We didn’t, you know, there was no like, Oh, well what’s the problem. It was like, all right, give him the money back. No problem. But I think it’s, I think you got to get to the point where I would, if I was, if I was you a gantry, I would just send them, send the dues money back.

You know, you got his address, 50 bucks in the mail, and then he dealt with it. Yeah, I do. What I’d maybe do is you’ve obviously sent one message already. Just send another with, with like a deadline. Just if I don’t hear back from you by. Yeah a week Friday or whatever it, why have a date that may be, um, just say, you know, I’ll, I’ll refund you and I’ll, and I’ll move on.

Um, because sometimes I think when people have a deadline like that, it could sort of, you know, it could be something completely innocent. Maybe it’s going to their spam or something like that. And if so, you can’t help it, but yeah, just give them a deadline. And then, you know, when that date comes, you can refund them and you got completely conscience going forward.

Lisa Elena’s spam thing is a real thing. That’s like I’ve had like terrible. Some people I’ve had like emails back and forth and emails or not emails back and forth and sent emails and emails and emails. And then someone will say, Hey, um, any word on the, on the, on what’s going on? I’m just like, I sent you like six emails and all.

Let me check my spam. Oh, you were already all over. Weren’t there on time. It was like, it gave me a heart attack. I didn’t it. I’ve had it this week where funny enough, and you guys were on the, on, in the email. So I sent to all the hosts of the, the guys on the makery network. Um, and I didn’t receive any reply and I was like, this hasn’t sent, so that’s when I checked with Jack, with you, Jeff.

And he said, no, we haven’t received an email. And like, Oh, I have to resend it. And hopefully it gets through and I know it did now, but yeah, it’s always a worry that, that, because it’s something you can’t really control. And I wish I hadn’t gotten their email.

I was the butt of your joke. January email was dear gentlemen and Jeff who was very, uh, um, your, on your, on your soul. There you go. So just send them the money, you know what, just send them the money. And I would send them the money and say, look. I know things are tough. Good luck with everything. When you’re ready for another one, we can do it again in that the end of it, you know, and just give him the money back.

No hard feelings. Yeah. Exactly. It’s not, yeah. It’s not a bad thing at all. Your comes in anonymous dilemma. Does that make you go? Hmm, hilarious. Uh huh. This is an anonymous dilemma. The anonymous person says I have been approached to make blades only for another maker. You wants me to make the blades of his design and he will make the handles.

He wants me to put my Mark on the blades and he will add his own. But if I’m not finishing the knife, I don’t want to warranty it. Am I wrong for not wanting to make the blades for someone else to put their name on it? Or should I shut up and take the money of the show? That’s a fucking good one. Hmm.

Geez. That is a good one. Um, I suppose it depends whether, um, the money would be significant to you and whether, whether, you know, it would, it would help out a lot. I think if you’re worried that the work isn’t going to be up to standard, you know, alarm bells should be ringing now, um, rather than later, but, you know, I understand, you know, something, you know, if you need the money, the money, um, and if that was the case, I wouldn’t have any issue with not putting my name on it at all.

Um, if I was worried about that, you know, the end quality, just, you know, you’d just be a supplier and you know, not, you know, nobody needs to know that even your knives, I suppose. I think that, that, that, that’s the one part. Like they want his name on it. I think that that’s like, so the trend of lesser value to that, I don’t, you don’t know, I’m more speculating now.

You don’t know, but it’s like, you know, I I’m, uh, I don’t like doing collaborations. I got something in the lines with Tomer, but that’s about it. And I just in general, and he’s a friend of mine, you know, I know him and, you know, we spent time together. He’s my friend and I’m going to do with him, but I don’t like, I don’t like, I’m not, I’m not into it.

I’m not into it at all. Yeah. It’s weird. Hm. He, that the, I think we’re echoes, right. He’s trying to sort of leverage the reliever as your name then. Um, and if that’s the case, The quality will be like, maybe step away. If, if you can, you know, it’s, it’s easy for us to say it just step away, but if there’s a chunk of money on the table, it’s, it’s not always that easy.

Um, You just to be having that Frank conversation with them and say, look, if, if, wow, this one really got ya. Got ya. I just think that it’s a different, I think that sometimes I think that there’s, I listened to her. I listened to, I listened to Brian House from, um, make, um, Worked for podcasts. Good dude. Good talking about colabs.

I’m actually starting a CoLab with Brian too. Are you? Well, he, he was, he told me something that he said on his podcast was very interesting. I didn’t know this, that a lot of YouTubers do a lot of collaborations and is beneficial to both to do them. I didn’t realize that it was beneficial, but I know that Tyler Bell just did something to Alex Alec in, um, and we’ll.

I know Brian does a few colabs with a few different people and in that world it’s beneficial. But like, I come from the art background where I don’t want to collaborate with someone. Like I don’t, I don’t really want to have, I don’t really, I want to, I do have, probably do have control issues in regards to what I want out there.

And if I feel like it’s just like substandard or not, not even substandard, it could be not the way I would do it. You know, I remember talking to Jonathan Porter and he was telling me what, this is all. This is the first time I ever talked to him on, on histogram five years ago. I said, what’s the one big thing that people are take.

People are not paying attention to when he goes, you need to grind the Corby bolts. When you’re finishing your handles, you got to take away those two 20 scratches. And I thought to myself, I was like, boy, that’s a good one. And it’s like, if I can’t over a knife to someone. And all of a sudden I saw that two 20 scratch that I would, I wouldn’t, I would, I wouldn’t have left.

I would have been like, this is not the way I would do it. You know, it, it is, it is something that like, you just want, you want them the way you want them. Yeah. If you don’t have full control, it can, it can be difficult. But like I said, it’s easy for us to say, you know, step away from it, if you, yeah. If you’re not happy, but there’s a chunk of money and it’s, I probably do.

Hmm. Let’s do it, but don’t put my name on it. Right. Your design. I’m just making the profile, grinding the knife, he treating the knife. And then it’s your design, your handle, your finishing then it’s really not mine. I mean, I don’t get, if I get something laser cut a waterjet cut from a New Jersey steel bearing.

I’m not putting their, I’m not putting their maker’s Mark on my knives. Yeah. Yeah. True. True. What, what do you think if you turned many colabs yourself anyway? Um, not really. Um, I I’ve, I have thoughts of doing them for the future, but I haven’t really done any right, right yet. Um, Yeah. And, you know, going back to the, depending on, or, sorry, struggling right now, uh, the amount of work or so it sounds like the guy, uh, whoever this anonymous person is, all they’re doing is.

Do the profile and an, a flat grind. If it’s not a special grind, if it’s a grind that the guy could have done it himself in the first place, he’s just paying this anonymous person to do it. Then there’s no reason why he would feel a need to feel an obligation to put his name on it. Um, do you know, do you get the sense that he’s not going to get paid?

I don’t th I, if he doesn’t put his name on it, it would be, it would be ridiculous to speculate any nefarious. This, in regards to this, this is just like, maybe this guy has been, been approached and then he wants, you know, somebody I’ve done it before. Maybe you’d like to do with me. And here’s how I do it.

And then you, you, I would be, it would be a little bit, it would be a little bit difficult to, to speculate than anything nefarious. Other than maybe the, the law, the second guy doesn’t have a heat treating of maybe he doesn’t know how to grind. Maybe he knows how to. To handle, maybe he’s a woodworker and he does the woodwork and then he knows how to like, you know, sharpen a knife.

Maybe that’s the reason why, I mean, there’s a million different reasons why, but it’s just a question of whether or not you feel comfortable elaborating with someone or not. You know, I don’t think I don’t really. I think if you’re going to do a collaboration or if I’m going to do a collaboration, I have to be super confident that whoever I’m working with collaborating with really knows what the hell they’re doing.

Especially if I send a knife to them that hasn’t even been heat treated. Um, I need to know that they’re, they know they have the equipment, they know what they’re doing. I’ve seen, you know, that their work is reputable. Or if say I do the forge, the blade and I heat treat the blade, but they’re going to grind it the way they want to credit.

Like, do I want. My, my Damascus work and my forging work tied to however that person ultimately Ryan’s the knives and stuff like, like it’s it. Yeah. I, it comes down to, yeah. Your comfort and confidence level in that other person. Hmm. I want to do, I just don’t want to be involved. Cause he, the point that he’s worried about is if somebody says, Oh, can you take care of this?

And then. He’s the one who’s got a, you know, he’s on the hook for the warranty, you know, he’s on the hook. If something fucks up, he’s on the hook for that stuff. And it’s just like, I don’t want that either. Well, then he needs, I think it’s a late alarm bell to get contract. I got to track them. These are guys in their, in their garages.

Anybody get it. You’re going to call your Selena Barnes. Well, but if you’re the one that says that people need to take it more seriously as a business, you’re a hundred percent. That’s why I don’t do that. That’s why I don’t, I like I’ll get myself a situation work. It’s just right now. So if he’s going to do that, you have a job contract and you say I’m not liable for anything that happens beyond this point beyond the spec of the work that I’m saying that I’m doing.

Right. I think, I think that makes a lot of sense. I just, I, I bypass all that and just say, well, I’ll do that. You know, I stand behind my work and that’s it, you know, if somebody’s got a problem with that fair, but if some people might be able to position where they need that work a hundred percent, but I think if alarm bells are ringing at this early stage, I think if you can avoid it by any means, do so do so.

Yeah. I mean, obviously he feels, he feels like, you know, uncomfortable about certain stuff, situation that is a dilemma. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I, I just mentioned to CoLab, I’ve got coming up with Brian House, um, which I think is going to be quite cool, but I’ve also got a second column, which I just remembered that we sorted out yesterday.

Do you remember, uh, from the show young, very young Charlie of the groovy girls. 2019 young knife maker of the year. We got a CoLab coming up. Really? A super cool CoLab. Yes. I can’t wait to share some pictures. Yeah. Good. That’d be cool. That was exciting. I got, yes, I got one. We, sorry, go on. I hadn’t seen it.

I thought you were done. I’m sorry. No. Cool. After you have the problem. No promise. No. Keep calling. I want to hear about it. You can’t tell us any more about the CoLab? Um, not, not really. Not really. All I will say is that, um, so Matt coats is, is, is her father and he’s had her in the shop and they’ve been making stuff.

They’ve, they’ve gone through a bit of a hard time. So when we’re working together on something, that’s really, really cool. So she makes these most beautiful, um, looms. Um, you know, the kids make these looms bracelet things, um, and she took a shine into these pink knife that I’ve just made, which it has the flowers and the butterflies and so on on it.

So I’m making a small knife and engraving it with her and she’s going to handle it with her, put a handle on with her special looms. Oh, super cool. Look at you, man. Of the people, a man of the people want a nice guy. Wow. It’s something different. Isn’t it? It’s very nice. Do we have any more, one more. If you want things that make you go.

Hmm. Okay. Here’s the question guys. Do you stay in a job? This comes from Tom Scott. Do you stay in a job that you really enjoy for pretty okay. Money and reasonable flexibility and benefits or take a job that’s a lot less flexible, a lot more money, and you would enjoy less. In mind to raising a family and being comfortable in the longterm.

I’m interested in hearing the two Wiseman’s thoughts and faders too, I guess.

I’ve done plenty of B. And I’m now doing a, you made the, you made the money and now, you know, you, well, I would say make the money, but I did a lot of jobs that I didn’t particularly enjoy. And I, you know, I hated just because it was bringing in money and now I’m doing a job, which I love to do. It gives me far more flexibility.

Um, and you know, if you work at it long and hard enough, you will make enough to, you know, to, to bring in enough money that you need. But at that way, um, I, I think so many people, you know, they’ve got this thing about one day I’ll retire and everything’s going to be great, but you know, that one day may never come.

And it’s easy. It’s easy to say, you know, to say that if, if you’ve got your bills covered, that kind of thing, you know, and some people obviously are struggling, particularly at the moment people are struggling. Um, but I just think if there’s any way you can do what you love to do, you know, pursue that hard.

That’s what I’m saying.

I agree. It’s very Gary V there wasn’t that? Yes, that’d be Gary V message. That was, I don’t know. I don’t know what I would do if at this point in time, I really feel like, I mean, I’m in, in terms of like what I’m doing. Um, I love what I’m doing. I would like to make more money for my family, and that’s why I work as hard as I do and try to like focus on doing more and more and more.

Uh, I’m in the position now where I need to push as hard as I can to make it better. But if I were in, you know, if I were not doing this and I was like going from job to job, I might very well consider buckling down and taking the job. I might not enjoy as much even if it was for just a few, for a while.

I wouldn’t, you know, I’m not, you know, blocking me to the desk or, you know, 25 years and I could make my life for my family better. I’d strongly consider that I’d strongly consider sacrificing a lot in order for my not having to worry about my kid, you know, paying for college or being able to give my wife more of a break, I would, I would be, I would make the sacrifice for my family.

I suppose, point there is. Would they be happier than, well, I know it’s you not being in their life? I think it’s it’s. What do you do? Or it is part of the dilemma. It is part of the part of the equation, but it’s like, you know, what do I do? Um, I just, I, I mean, you know, I’m to be a hundred percent honest, it would be, it would be, you know, you, you say, do what you want.

You know, life is short and you should do what you want, but if you have a family and you want to provide for them, I think that there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, I’d rather. I want to kind of buckle down for the sake of my family because, you know, that’s my, my not legacy, but it’s like, I want their ha their happiness is as important to me as everybody else.

Yeah, no, I, I do completely get that, but I think everybody has something that, that they can sort of give they’ve got something that they can do that other people can’t and whether it’s a side hustle or whatever, it may be. To me, the goal should always be to be happy and for your family to be happy. And it doesn’t necessarily, for me always mean money.

Obviously you need a minimum amount to be happy, but I think once you’ve got that minimum amount and you know, you see these people, they’re, you know, they go into offices every day. Um, but then they get in brand new cars every year. And then they’re going to only respond to your holidays. Nothing. Is that worth.

You know, going to an office and being sad, sitting in little cubicle all day where, you know, you don’t have to have the fancy new cars and you could be much happier. You know, you got to consider what you work in for that. That’s what I’m saying. How are you defining happiness? This is also PS, a little side note.

This is dilemmas. If we all agreed on everything, I mean, it wouldn’t be much of a fucking dilemma.

Yeah. I want, I want to make more money for my family. I want to, I want to be able to, I want my kids to not have to worry about loans. I want my kid to not worry about her college, you know, loans or whatever she wants to do. I want to be able to say to her, You know, you’re her first house or for first car, I can say here, here’s a little bit of help.

You know, that isn’t very important to me, to the point where I would take on more work or maybe work that I wouldn’t, you know, it might not be fun, but it would allow me to get to the goal of, you know, being helpful to my immediate family. I don’t have a problem with that. Like, I’m a, you know, when somebody comes up to me back to the last guy, somebody comes up to me and says, I’m going to give you a million dollars to work on this collaboration.

And if I knew that, you know, that part of that million dollars would be helpful to my family, I’d strongly consider it. I’ll put my fucking name on that shit. I might. You never know, you know, I’ll put my fucking name on my smart. Listen to me. Listen to me. You know, I think that a lot of people’s happiness is dependent on their own personal every day.

You know, lying at you. Like you lying on the couch in the office. I, I, my part of me, can we just get this straight? I’m not lying. You fucking hard. You already got the couch in the Bureau Raider up there. You got there. Good keg. Main line to your butt is sitting on that couch. I understand. It’s fine. My happiness would be, you know, by coming home and everyone’s in a good mood.

Everyone’s happy. We don’t have the turmoil that we have going on. And if I can help to help that financially, I’m going to really strongly consider it. Yeah, no, I said we don’t have to agree. The world would be very sad if we all agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Do we have any more, no more dilemmas. We’re out of dilemmas.

No more than that. Let’s go back to some questions you want to take the next test. I’m going to hop down to, uh, Ben bites. Ben’s bites. Dear mr. Fader or Lord fader, whichever respectful title you prefer. That’s why you chose that. Well, no, no, but it dovetails into what we’re talking about last week. I’m relatively, I’m a relatively new knife maker and I appreciate that you and your fellow knife talk crew are willing to share your experiences.

I appreciated your view. On the disc grinder to help finish off your blades beforehand, sanding wouldn’t running your grind. You’re horizontally on the long plat and give you the same results. Thanks, Ben. The Lord fader, Mister fader thing is an overcorrection, which is fine. I look, I just, you know, I it’s fine.

Is it, um, it’s humorous. Congratulations, you can call me Jeff. That’s fine. Um, we were talking last week about the disc grinder wise, this grinder, and the, the idea was they use the disc grinder in order to kind of cut down on the peaks of the grind lines from the two by 72 grinder. So when I’m hand sanding, I’m able to get to the valleys faster.

If you don’t have a plunge line, if you don’t have a plunge line. And you don’t have a transition between your, the blade and the Ricardo or the, you know, the flat for lack of a better word, you can for sure. Bump your Platon out and then run your, run your grinder down if, or if you’re doing a forge finish on the top and you’re not going to hit the, uh, you’re not going to hit the Ricardo of the knife by all means.

If you’re doing a flat brine knife, like hunting knives and stuff like that. Sometimes you can’t just, you know, stick it. Sometimes you have a transition, you have a plunge line. If you have a plunged line, the grinder won’t, won’t finish off the transition between the plunge line and the knife. You won’t finish it off.

Nice. So you have different plans or different planes, but it’s the, it’s the tree. It’s the tree. It’s the transition, the transition between, um, the transition between your babble and the Rocatto, the flat of your knife. It’s the transition is the plunge line that you have to worry about. So yes, if you don’t have a plunge line and you have a big old heel, and you’re only, you know, you’re, you’re only grinding down, um, you know, the, the first inch, inch and a quarter of the blade.

100% just run it down that plan. But if you have, if you’re doing a full flat grind and you have a transition, you have to be concerned about that. So that’s one of the reasons why people will have to do the handset. A lot of people don’t, a lot of people don’t do it. Um, a lot of people don’t do a plunge line for that reason on the chef’s knife, because you can just kind of run it down on a, on a, whatever.

Yeah, I was just thinking I should look for a shopper. Um, that might be a good call. That to turn in the, the, the background horizontal, because you’re not having to transition. It’s going to be, you know, a straight edge, all almost like a straight razor. You could, you, you could use that platform to do that all in one hat.

It would be faster if you didn’t have to Hanson, you know, if you didn’t have to, or if you do, you know, if you don’t, if you don’t have to deal with that transition. You’re saving yourself a lot of time. I like, I like the plan. I mean, I’m not the bull elk dives and the, in some of my outdoor knives, I have to have the transition, um, for the, uh, and, and the other thing is I also want, I also want it tight.

I want the scales to be super tight. I don’t want a lot. I don’t like to fool around too much with the, um, the plane of the ricotta or the handle area, because I’m afraid of having to like, have any gap. I don’t want any gap. Right. I don’t want any, like, You know, weirdness like it. Yeah. That makes sense.

Let’s do it. Let’s have a look at the list. Sorry. Bear with me a second. Um, GD Schmidt for as asked. Hey guys love the podcast. Oh, geez. We’re going into names here. Oh, geez. I know that Greg uses a laser for everything, but Jeff and Morocco. How do you guys put your logo on your knives? If you use stencils, where do you get them?

Um, he says I do this just for fun and I really do enjoy listening to you guys. Very funny couple of hours a week and a lot of good info. Um, so yeah, stencils. Um, well, first of all, do you use stencils or do you, you know, using a stamp? Um, and if you are where you’re getting your stencils, you want to take a job?

Oh, I used to hand stamp everything and, um, I just found it to be kind of a, you know, it looks good on certain things, but unlike if are on a stock removal knife that I’m not, um, forging at all, just the looks, it looks fine. Um, I use a company called I think you, I think you got me into them. I think it was called ILM.

No. What was the name of it? I have G I M G I M G they’re in New York and stencils. And then you make rates senseless. Um, they’re not that expensive. Uh, and they’re expensive. If you just want one, you know, if you want one knife, it can be, that’s why the guy wanted his name engraved and you wanted to know how much the stencil was.

And I told him, he’s just like, why is it so expensive? I’m like, this is because there’s work to be done. It’s not, it’s not like, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, but I mean, I mean, um, Craig had, uh, had done a video. His favorite video of all time was how he used the brother and he is a brother printer maker to make senses.

Remember that. Yeah. So yeah, if you want disposable, uh, stencils, um, you can get a litter brother printer and you hook up the computer and, you know, like a normal printer that prints these labels and you can get a stensul, um, Label paper. Um, and I’m going to say it’s called Ste one five, one. That’s the brand of the Stanzel paper, because I put up a video on YouTube and that I get asked that question all the time, but what what’s the what’s the standard is written in the description.

So lever Ste one, five, one, you can design on a computer and the disposable use them ones to throw them away. So if you have, you know, if you want to do customers’ names, all that kind of thing, they worked out quite well. And the machine is cheapest. It’s like. You know, $70, that kind of thing. Um, so you know, that could work out, but, um, I’m going to go out on a limb and say, I’m not sure if you’re, if you’re German with the name of Schmidt.

Um, and if so, um, I used to get my stencils from a company in Germany and I can’t for the life of me, remember who they are, but they were brilliant. They actually make a good electric electric machine as well, but they also make stencils. Um, so if you are send me a DM or not, and I’ll dig it all out, dig up those details for you.

Um, but yeah, I’ll use the laser now. So it’s a slightly different, which, by the way, I got that on the laser, on the, um, on the little box cutter, it looks, I mean, it looks great. Oh, right. Yeah. It’s, it’s pretty deep. Isn’t it? You can really run your finger and he does this once he does, this is a morning show.

Um, Morocco, what are you doing? Are you electro etching or you hot stamping? Wha how are you doing? Uh, I am using an electrical etcher. I’m using the personalized, they’re just like the super basic personalized there. Um, there’s a few different models. Uh, I wish I had a laser. So I would love to do that. Um, but yeah, like Jeff was saying, I get my stencils from, uh, Patricia Bruno at, uh, IMG, electro Mark it’s there.

I think their website is IMG dash electro Um, She’s super helpful. Uh, once she gets the artwork in, uh, for your stencil, you know, the initial is like around 40, $50, whatever, but you get a sheet of about, I think, five or six stencils. And for me, the stencils last a really, really long time. Um, and so, um, And then anytime you need a new, you need to re up, they’re like 10 bucks.

So it’s the big costs is the initial artwork, you know, trans whatever, whatever you want, your, your, your sense of look like, you know, there’s, there’s work that goes into making it usable so that then she can make stencils out of it on her computer. But then once she has that. Like a t-shirt printer, like a screen printer.

I think that’s how they make those stencils. Um, so they have like a, like a negative and they put, they put the, you know, emotion on it and they put the, the, the UV light and it burns through. So I’m pretty sure that’s how they do those things. Yeah. I have a question for you, something like that. When you’re doing your Damascus knives, at what stage do you put your D what stage do you put your stencil on?

Oh, sure. Yeah, it was actually a buddy messaged me and asked me that the other day. Uh, so when I hand sand, I take it up to 600 after, after 600. That’s when I marked the blade. And then I go back and I finish 800 grit strokes, um, to clean up, but, and I actually cleaned up both sides at 800. Um, but that way it cleans up the blade as well as cleaning up the Mark.

So it’s nice and clear around the edges. And then you’re going very deep. I go deep with the Mark. I’m trying. Yeah. I try to go pretty deep, probably at least 10, maybe 15 thousands, you know, deep, relative to how deep the etchers will edge. But, um, there’s definitely some texture there. You can, you can run your fingernail over it and definitely grab the edges of the letters and stuff like that.

So, Yeah, when you, um, so you take, you will take it to 801st. Um, sure. I’m just wondering what, what some people do use for that. I 100% always use rhino at made by in DASA. I guess it’s a Portuguese company, but in dossiya USA is theirs. They’re the ones. Yeah. Uh, if you go, yeah, if you go to Texas fairies, yeah.

Ply, you can get yourself some in DASA, uh, some rhino wet red line from them, uh, as well as whatever other knife making needs, you have, they have a lot of. Materials there, but in DASA they got, they got a, a D discount code, Texas fairs to apply. Does his knife talk 10? And so if you type that in, at checkout, you will save 10% on your in DASA order.

I can’t remember who the maker was. I saw the other day, but they literally bought, it looked like a dozen sleeves of sandpaper is incredible. Um, that, which. It adds up really quick, but with that 10%, and I’ve talked You’re going to save yourself a bit of cash, um, that you can probably just read it back into more sandpaper, more than anything because you need it.

It’s an important part of the process for sure. Yeah. And they also sell a lot of other stuff as well. So Texas power supply, lots of stuff for knife makers. Um, and yeah, and I’ve talked tan, you’re going, gonna get 10% off. So take the saving while you can and let, let us know as well. Um, on Instagram, let us know what you’re buying from there.

There’s always good to know people that, you know, take advantage of these savings. It’s good for us. Okay, let’s take another one here from, um, cert tunes. Hi guys. Uh, new maker here, just getting into the fun. That is knifemaking question for Craig and his sustainable knives. How was it working with the recycled water bottle handles?

Uh, did they melt much when sanding and how do they feel in use? I have a business in my town who is a customer of mine. Um, and he goes on Bo’s real job and not be in life, making a song, um, who has a unique means of recycling and soft plastics, such as bags and wraps into what they call. He would, um, think it, maybe give it an, a go for some scales, but just wonder on your thoughts and experience with plastic scales.

Um, again, quite timely, we were talking about this just before we and on air, um, that, um, I think it makes it a great product at the end. It feels great in the hand, which has been buffed. Um, but it can be a bit of a nightmare work with, um, it can be quite sort of melty, um, if you’re grinding at, at high grits.

Um, but it really suits yourself well to sort of CNC, machining really, really does. Um, But yeah, it’s, you know, it can be done. Um, scratches are a nightmare to hand sand out of them. Um, but yeah, treat them with care and, um, you you’ll get, uh, you really will get a really nice finish on it, but it’s, it’s not as easy to finish as maybe a wood would be.

Um, So, yeah, just to just bear that in mind that you will spend some extra time and it’ll ruin belts, um, quite easily, not by necessarily taking down the abrasive, but just by clogging, living in laps all the time that that plastic is, it can be a bit of a nightmare, but yeah, that, that’s, that’s my, uh, 2 cents on that.


Do we have, and we have, we’ve got lots more questions. I mean, we also have the question of what you Pat, if you’re going to gum up your belts, what are you going to gum them up on? I’m coming to mine up. I’m coming my belts up on it. Brought back Ironworks grinder, select rod back and Ironworks grinder got two by 72 grinder.

It’s a knife. It’s a knife grind. It’s a metal grinding grinder. You can use it if you’re not, even if you’re not a knife maker, if you’re just say at a metal shop, it’s a great versatile grinder to have, uh, it goes vert. It goes, um, horizontal, vertical, very versatile, super long platin and work rest. If you can put the, you can put it up horizontally, put your work rest on there, and you have a great, great situation for even if you’re not right making knives, any kind of metal work, wood work, whatever you got.

You don’t need wrenches to change all the platients all there up, or they’re all the attachments. They got new attachments coming left and right. And they just sent me the, uh, the integral Bolser, uh, slash flooring, uh, attachment in is awesome. I haven’t been able to use it yet just because I’ve been behind, but it is awesome.

Everything’s put together really well. It’s very thoughtful thinking, um, thoughtful in terms of how they do it. The other, you put it together. Uh, and then the shipping is included in the price. If you go to broad deck,, put a knife, talk 10, you get yourself a grinder, get your it’s 10% off on your grinder.

They got all sorts of new attachments come through and, and, um, it’s a very, very thoughtful machine and they’re really, really good guys. And if you have questions for sure, go, uh, send them a message and they will walk you through what everything you need without hard selling. Either rod back brought back on and I’ve talked to him.

Okay, sorry. Cool. America going to say, if I can add something, um, just really quick, uh, something I’ve mentioned before is I love the flexibility of their grinder and the fact that I can use tool arms, that I’ve built myself in the machine, but what’s also, you know, if maybe you already have a machine and you don’t need another grinder, but what, what is also great about.

Broad backs, flexibilities. Sure. Maybe you don’t need the body, but they have tons of tool, arms, like the integral grinding platin or the, the surface grinding attachment or the buffer arm, you know, all these different tool, arms that you can use across different platforms, which is what Craig’s going to be doing with his new surface granting attachment.

So, you know, they’re, they’re incredibly flexible, uh, company. Whether you need a new chassis or you need just tooling arms, they got you covered for sure. Great point. Great point. If you got, if you got somebody else, you can get there, you can get their attachments in. They’re definitely worth the price.

Definitely worth it. And just do yourself a favor. Get the, just get the VFD. I, if you can, if you can just knuckle up and get VFDs, you will be maximizing your belts. You’ll be maximizing your, your work time. And you will just have so much more flexibility in regards to how you’re writing. So there you go.

That was a good point. Real good point. I and use knife top 10. Okay. Um, the next one is from a war flee or Wharf Lee cutlery. Um, I’ve done this question actually. Um, Oh, this is regarding, we’ve talking last week. We have 20 million in the bank. Um, and he said I’ve had 20 million in the bank. I’d build your Q D state-of-the-art recording booths.

Um, We don’t need it. We’ve got to stay in the article. We’ve got a fridge, we’ve got a van and Dan van in the fridge. Sorry, sorry about that. When you went over there, man, you’re like, uh, uh, silence of the lambs. Were you doing? Uh, and he said, that being said, you really do have the best audio in the podcast game.

Thanks for all the hard work for little drift community. Okay. This is not a question, but yeah. Nice. Thank you very much. War flea, Qatari. So I’ll go to next week. Cause is a question that I think from a, it was Ark with his ad Noah’s Ark. Hey fellows. First time, long time over the pasta is I have Gary I’ve had guaranteed sales on occasion.

I find myself. A nice reputable company knife, like from this Villa Nova stuff. Um, but the blade is all scratched and scuffed. What was the best way for me to fix up the blade without getting rid of the name on the blade? I’m assuming that the names are attached on there. Um, more often than not. I’m sorry.

I made a mess of that, but yeah, basically he’s going to garage sales and he’s buying these knives and they’ve got, they’ve got the brand names. He wants to clean them up without getting rid of brand names. Um, any tips. I I’ve never found a way to retain that. Mark. Usually the marks are pretty superficial.

They’re just like lightly lasered on there. They, and, and not the quality deep edge that Craig is getting, but a very superficial light dusting, almost in a way of a Mark that you can almost scrape them off with your fingernails. Um, yeah, just, I guess if you’re trying to retain that, Mark. Then just don’t hit it, but otherwise it’s gonna get, it’s gonna get taken off pretty easily.

Yeah. Sounds like they must be garage saling to refinish knives, and then we sell them or something. I dunno. A lot of ax guys do that. Like our friend, uh, Roy Scott went to Jack’s works. He’ll he’ll throw, he’ll throw his ass. You’ll get axes at garage sales and Roman some of Apple rust. And then, and then, so all the marks are kind of in there.

And then he he’s able to resell them and people can know exactly what they’re getting because he keeps the sugar’s Mark on there. I think that you’re right with like those dwellings and stuff like that. It’s like a, a very thin, I, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s like almost built. Some of them are like built on top.

It’s not like even acid edge. It’s almost like they’re like some type of. And then you can take them off of your fingernail, which means that they’re like raced off the boat, like a Mark rather than an engraving it’s yeah. I think your eye that you can do that with, with your home machines as well. So if you’ve got like a, like a Mark and machine engraver, some of them, um, I know you had talked about the personalized or the personalized, a palace as the option for either AC or DC, and one of them will only Mark it won’t, it won’t engrave in any way.

And the Mark can come off over time. And I think that’s, that’s what we’re talking about with these really, um, I suppose what you could do, you could, you could maybe mask it off and then maybe sort of hand sand avoid in those areas, but it’s never going to look. Yeah. You’d have to, like, I suppose you have to be a very, very small, very small piece of tape, you know, and then you’d have to like care for him.

I mean, if you’re looking to resell it, maybe if you hear that. Okay, good. My stomach. I don’t know, I don’t eat or drink. I don’t drink coffee or eat before we do these things. Cause I don’t want to have to go to the bathroom. So, but what happens is, is after about 50 minutes after an hour and 40 minute Mark, my guts start gurgling.

And I’m just like hearing them in my earphones and just like Jesus Christ. I hope no one else who was that, I was like, Oh God, it was fucking B. I mean, it was a real girl. It was like I’m in my lungs. It was a fucking loud one. I don’t trust you. I don’t, I’m not this isn’t this isn’t a far, trust me the time when I have a fart, I promise you I will stick my ass into the microphone and I’ll blow it right at you guys.

I promise. I promise you. I promise you and yet, um, I think that, I think you’re out. I think you, you know, if you’re going to rehab and sand the knife without taking off, uh, you know, unless it’s deep in there, You you’re sunk, you know, especially if you want to resell them. I mean, you can’t really work that well.

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I have retained, retained a blubber. That’s keeping me around the worry about that. It’s a Halloween candy eating all the Colleen candy. We don’t buy out. We didn’t buy any Halloween candy this year. I’m not doing it. Oh. To do dropped out of a window. What we were discussing that waking up wake, and I have a pumpkin outside the house and just put candy in there and kids can help themselves if they pass.

But yeah, the first year we moved into our house with, uh, my wife was super proud and we were just, we were living on the first floor every day. We were redoing the second, third floors and all of a sudden people knock on the door and they’re saying trick or treating. We’re like, fuck, it’s fucking Halloween.

I had to view through these piles of kids. I had to run it. I got raised in it. And nuts. And also this bullshit. I was just like, I was putting my ad for all this bullshit into a bag and then like reach in and then like squirrels, these kids, it was like, Oh, prunes, Barola bars, cereal, cereal. I was like, they’ll never see it.

I’ll just grab a big handful and then I’ll just put it in their bag and then won’t be able to see it. And then they’ll fuck way off until they be like, gave me all this God yet bird seed. Oh man. Fader. What he did. But that actually, that’s probably a good call because what you find is if you give out the good candy, all the kids in the street, they’d be like, Oh, that’s the house to go to.

And they’d all be like marching towards the house. All of them together, politicians in my town do like the big candy bars, like the normal size candy bars. And they’re on the hook because everyone knows you get the big candy bars from those politicians. And, uh, the one thing that really traumatized my daughter when she was very young, was.

We were, we were trick or treating with her and, and, um, we left out a pump, uh jack-o-lantern with candy, with a note saying, take one. And somebody took the whole thing. And we came back, my daughter was sitting on, dressed up as whatever Tinkerbell or something like that. And she sees that the pumpkin’s gone.

She says, daddy, where’s where’s the jack-o-lantern. And I’m just like, I had to explain to her that somebody stole the whole thing. It fucking traumatized her. It traumatized her because she was really like, You know, people do that. I’m like, sorry, there’s no golden soft with you. Is that came to life and flew off into the, into the sit-down.

Let me tell you how bad the, I guess somebody took Archie muster overheard me saying he’ll like somebody took the goddamn jack-o-lantern and so they took it. I’m like, yeah. Yeah. Had father Christmas. I mean, what are you, what are you, what are you going to say? What would you have said? What are you going to say to your kids?

When some French Garson hooligan just grabs that fucking grabbed that fucking orange face Jacqueline and off your porch. What are you going to tell your children? You break, how are you going to break into it? Go ahead and break them down. Gently. Maybe a squirrel come along. That was very hungry. I needed to take it.

Okay. Now we’re afraid of squirrels.

Squirrels, squirrels are fucking strong where you go nuts. So the answer is no candy. Uh, there’s not a lot of candy candy in our house. Okay. Shall we

dreams and aspirations for the week. Um, Jeff, what would you like to be this time? Next week? You’re going to laugh, but I’m S I just got, I put up the sweat, the hoodies for fader knives, and we went fucking out of control. I mean, we sold them all and I actually have to wrap them up today. I’m all excited because.

We’re going to be wrapping them all up and shipping them all out on Monday. And I got to order more because everyone’s like, you know, hoodie crazy where you don’t have a six Xcel. Have you ever heard of a six XL? My guy said he makes six Xcel’s, six Xcel’s they’re like fucking fits over a dumpster.

That’s like so big. I’m like, I’m hoping someone orders one, because I want to tell him, I got I’m like, dude, go get the tarp. Cause we’re going to be making six X ELLs. We haven’t had any of those orders yet, but I’m going to be excited about that. And then, uh, I don’t have to hand sand this week, which is great.

I’m going to be. Working on handles and then I’m going to start, uh, cutting in some serrations. So I’m very, I’m looking forward to kind of mapping my week out accordingly. Nice, nice. Um, uh,

Uh, I’m looking forward to getting back next week. Yeah. Looking forward to get back into the forge, uh, and doing some forging. I’m doing some interesting, something very different for me. I’m forging out some chisels, some carpentry chisels. Um, so that should be fun. So, but it’s always forging is always the, the, the most enjoyable part of the process.

Um, I’m really excited to, to see what these, uh, how the pattern worked out. I did something different with my typography cladding that I did. Um, For this, this, this, so the chisels matched the blade. The blade is going to have a samurai look, but the chisels will only be kind of half of the samurai look. Um, so that it’s a model steel core, or kind of cutting edge with the cladding on top of it.

Really cool. So it’ll be interesting. It’ll be cool to see how it comes out. I’m really excited. I think it’ll look nice. Um, as if you’re making it, it’s gonna look great. Thank you.

I’ve been working on a, like, it’s just like an hour a day for the last maybe month. I’m a bit of a secret project, um, which has more to do with the makery really than, than knifemaking, um, which I’m hoping to finish up this week and probably launch next week. Um, so I can’t really see what is the mom, but I’m just hoping that it’s going to go well.

Um, yeah. Yeah. And that’s it really? So not much knifemaking this week. So I’m a bit of a head with the compromise, which is the next sort of big delivery. Um, so yeah, not much knife making more work on computers and sort of in the studio. Um, and that’s it. So yeah, a nice mellow week. I’m hoping with, with clean hands still on Friday.

Thank you. Once again, for all the hard work you do for the makery channel. You really do. It’s a lot of work. Yes. Go on. I’m telling you, I’m saying thank you. I’m saying thank you for all the hard work that you’ve done. It’s great. I’m enjoying, listening to the shows on the makery channel. And hot news.

We’ve got a new show join in the network as well. So if you’re into woodworking, um, we’ve got a woodworking show come in with, um, three hosts who are, um, very well known on, on YouTube. Um, so there’s going to be a big show, I think. So it’s gonna be a woodworking show and that’ll be with us within the next few months.

So yeah. Um, no, because we haven’t fully agreed everything yet, but, um, But it’s come in. I’m pretty sure it’s coming. So, so yeah. So make sure you head over to and have a look at all the different shows. Cause obviously as well as knife talk, there’s a bunch of others as well. So go over, see what you’d like, give them a listen.

And, um, as we always say, you know, things like reviews and that kind of thing always help us out. That’s a show. That’s a show over two hours again. Nice. Thank you all very much for listening and we should speak to you all again. Very, very soon. Bye. For now.

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Craig Lockwood
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Knifemaker at Chop Knives making custom cutlery for chefs & restaurants, also a big fan of tech and audio. Host of Knife Talk and the Podcasters Podcast.

Geoff Feder
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NY Sculptor, Blacksmith & owner of Feder Knives - A custom knife company.

Mareko Maumasi
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Mareko Maumasi is a bladesmith and Damascus wizard from Olympia, WA

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